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	<title>Comments on: PHP Frameworks</title>
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		<title>By: Chui</title>
		<link>http://www.codeandcoffee.com/2006/07/php-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Chui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent a day working with CodeIgniter.

The framework is pretty mature, and easy to navigate.

The include loader is a bit strange, but once you get used to it, it&#039;s fine.

Then there is the case of $obj =&amp; get_instance(). You will need it, when models load models.

There are some quirkiness with database queries, for instance
$this-&gt;db-&gt;query() is seems to behave like a result set..., except it also has methods like first_row, and results. A bit counterintuitive there, but luckily there are lots of examples, if you judiciously use the search feature on the documentation pages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent a day working with CodeIgniter.</p>
<p>The framework is pretty mature, and easy to navigate.</p>
<p>The include loader is a bit strange, but once you get used to it, it&#8217;s fine.</p>
<p>Then there is the case of $obj =&amp; get_instance(). You will need it, when models load models.</p>
<p>There are some quirkiness with database queries, for instance<br />
$this-&gt;db-&gt;query() is seems to behave like a result set&#8230;, except it also has methods like first_row, and results. A bit counterintuitive there, but luckily there are lots of examples, if you judiciously use the search feature on the documentation pages.</p>
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		<title>By: AlbanyWiFi.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; PHP Frameworks</title>
		<link>http://www.codeandcoffee.com/2006/07/php-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>AlbanyWiFi.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; PHP Frameworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mattrmiller</title>
		<link>http://www.codeandcoffee.com/2006/07/php-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>mattrmiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That looks really nice, the only thing is it&#039;s PHP 5 which a lot of hosts still do not support for some reason. I am still trying to get in on my server, but it doesn&#039;t play nice with other software like Plesk. Until Plesk supports it, I can&#039;t use it :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That looks really nice, the only thing is it&#8217;s PHP 5 which a lot of hosts still do not support for some reason. I am still trying to get in on my server, but it doesn&#8217;t play nice with other software like Plesk. Until Plesk supports it, I can&#8217;t use it <img src='http://www.codeandcoffee.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tal Ater</title>
		<link>http://www.codeandcoffee.com/2006/07/php-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>Tal Ater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve used both CakePHP and Symfony (http://www.symfony-project.com/) in production.

I&#039;ve found that Cake simply tries to emulate Rails 1:1, and doesn&#039;t really does it&#039;s own thing... And ofcourse it doesn&#039;t do Rails as well as Rails does.

Symfony on the other hand, took a much larger time investement to get started, but I&#039;ve found the rewards in using it to be worth the while.

I am now working with Symfony, and plan to use it for my next projects as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve used both CakePHP and Symfony (<a href="http://www.symfony-project.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.symfony-project.com/</a>) in production.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that Cake simply tries to emulate Rails 1:1, and doesn&#8217;t really does it&#8217;s own thing&#8230; And ofcourse it doesn&#8217;t do Rails as well as Rails does.</p>
<p>Symfony on the other hand, took a much larger time investement to get started, but I&#8217;ve found the rewards in using it to be worth the while.</p>
<p>I am now working with Symfony, and plan to use it for my next projects as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.codeandcoffee.com/2006/07/php-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My company just finished a review of the top frameworks, including codeigniter and cakephp.  codeigniter was by far the easiest to use, but also the most feature incomplete, so maybe it will be ready in 6-12 months.  cakephp was barely acceptable (I didn&#039;t review this one) and paled in ease of use with codeigniter.  In the end we decided to stick with our own homegrown, rough around the edges framework.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My company just finished a review of the top frameworks, including codeigniter and cakephp.  codeigniter was by far the easiest to use, but also the most feature incomplete, so maybe it will be ready in 6-12 months.  cakephp was barely acceptable (I didn&#8217;t review this one) and paled in ease of use with codeigniter.  In the end we decided to stick with our own homegrown, rough around the edges framework.</p>
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		<title>By: mattrmiller</title>
		<link>http://www.codeandcoffee.com/2006/07/php-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>mattrmiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen this before, and have in my bookmarks of things to checkout. I will have to make this a priority, that video about crating a blog in 20 minutes is pretty cool.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen this before, and have in my bookmarks of things to checkout. I will have to make this a priority, that video about crating a blog in 20 minutes is pretty cool.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Maciek KuÅ›</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maciek KuÅ›</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should take a look at CodeIgniter - quite interesting alternative to CakePHP - http://codeigniter.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should take a look at CodeIgniter &#8211; quite interesting alternative to CakePHP &#8211; <a href="http://codeigniter.com" rel="nofollow">http://codeigniter.com</a></p>
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